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Author: | filler [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unraveling the story *SPOILERS* |
https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/和氏の璧 EDIT: There's this too https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Shi_Bi But I wouldn't take the liberty of ignoring that の particle. I'd assume the first definition correct unless something seems really funny about it in context. |
Author: | hausen [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unraveling the story *SPOILERS* |
Filler's 100% right, it's He Shi Bi. See the wikipedia filler posted for "returning jade intact to zhao" part for the whole context of the story... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Shi_Bi#%22Returning_the_Jade_Intact_to_Zhao%22 Qin is willing (they are bluffing) to give Zhao 15 castles (or cities but I think he calls them castles in this game) in exchange for the He Shi Bi jade. The city is Xianyang, not zianyang. Note that Pingyuan mentions something about Luoyang by the end of the scene. There's a new merc you have to go try recruit there first, to be able to enter Hangu Pass. Open the merc screen at Luoyang bar, try to recruit him and he refuses... I don't remember if you had to talk to other npcs there too. Then go outside and there's a scene with him. Then you can continue to Hangu pass. Btw, a straight machine translation of this scene is funny. Without context there isn't much to understand beyond a complete mess: Spoiler! :
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Author: | Wildbill [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unraveling the story *SPOILERS* |
hausen wrote: Filler's 100% right, it's He Shi Bi. See the wikipedia filler posted for "returning jade intact to zhao" part for the whole context of the story... Thanks filler and hausen! Woke up in the night, still tangled up in this thing. Wish I had found that wiki! I did find images of Jade Disks (seals). Yep the machine... just a starting point. Then, I use about eight different tricks/methods to refine it all down to making sense. When those don't work, I ask y'all. That 5% I miss is a killer! It's just like the work I did in the military for 25 years - dig truth, theories, and estimates out of bits and pieces, put it all together in a logical sequence, and convince a commanding officer that I know 'whut ah'm talkin' 'bout'!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Shi_Bi#%22Returning_the_Jade_Intact_to_Zhao%22 Qin is willing (they are bluffing) to give Zhao 15 castles (or cities but I think he calls them castles in this game) in exchange for the He Shi Bi jade. The city is Xianyang, not zianyang. Note that Pingyuan mentions something about Luoyang by the end of the scene. There's a new merc you have to go try recruit there first, to be able to enter Hangu Pass. Open the merc screen at Luoyang bar, try to recruit him and he refuses... I don't remember if you had to talk to other npcs there too. Then go outside and there's a scene with him. Then you can continue to Hangu pass. Btw, a straight machine translation of this scene is funny. Without context there isn't much to understand beyond a complete mess: Spoiler! :
The ancient Chinese... tons of cultural anecdotes and symbolism wrapped in conflicting opinions, but men of action stumble onward, and someone wins! Okay, here's the scene as currently written, for everyone's perusal... Spoiler! :
As usual, cramped space in the ROM is really killin' the story-tellin' potential in this game!! What a helluva note! This is authentic historical fiction, as good as the John Jakes series in America, and it's non-expandable! And this scene make a lot more sense when viewed with the visuals and knowing the whole backdrop of the tale. |
Author: | taskforce [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unraveling the story *SPOILERS* |
BTW: Wildbill don't forget you have to account for WWWWWW when writing these scenes just like the other games with namable characters. Keep that in mind. You've got WildBi and WWWWWW is a lot longer in the window so you need to keep that in mind. |
Author: | hausen [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unraveling the story *SPOILERS* |
Glad to help and see that you're enjoying the game too. Let me add a tiny pedantic thing: "King Zhao" would infer that the king's personal name is Zhao, doesn't it? You should use 'Zhao King' perhaps to signify he's the king of that state? His actual name is King Huiwen, at the time these events with the jade disc happened in real history, just to add for curiosity's sake. I'm not an English native speaker, by the way, sometimes I might lose sight of nuance in wordings like these. (+tiny typo at Zheng's line at the very end - Zhang should be Zheng.) Hehe, I keep finding small new things every now and then. You already went past the small one-screen fire cave near Shouchun, right? Did you know that if you have the boozehound 李酒 merc in your party when fighting the boss there, at start of battle they share a drink together and the boss becomes wasted - doesn't call those helpers in battle like he usually does and keeps missing his sword swings. Lol. With the mirror 'brother' fights, you're given a prompt to use a quest item gained previously when you fight the second one. It immobilizes him in fear. If you answer yes to a prompt to use a quest item in the 3rd boss fight, he becomes enraged and stronger than normally. I wonder if any other bosses have extras like these. |
Author: | Wildbill [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unraveling the story *SPOILERS* |
hausen wrote: Glad to help and see that you're enjoying the game too. I'm inclined to change him to King Huiwen throughout, unless you prefer Zhao King.Let me add a tiny pedantic thing: "King Zhao" would infer that the king's personal name is Zhao, doesn't it? You should use 'Zhao King' perhaps to signify he's the king of that state? His actual name is King Huiwen, at the time these events with the jade disc happened in real history, just to add for curiosity's sake. I'm not an English native speaker, by the way, sometimes I might lose sight of nuance in wordings like these. (+tiny typo at Zheng's line at the very end - Zhang should be Zheng.) Hehe, I keep finding small new things every now and then. You already went past the small one-screen fire cave near Shouchun, right? Did you know that if you have the boozehound 李酒 merc in your party when fighting the boss there, at start of battle they share a drink together and the boss becomes wasted - doesn't call those helpers in battle like he usually does and keeps missing his sword swings. Lol. With the mirror 'brother' fights, you're given a prompt to use a quest item gained previously when you fight the second one. It immobilizes him in fear. If you answer yes to a prompt to use a quest item in the 3rd boss fight, he becomes enraged and stronger than normally. I wonder if any other bosses have extras like these. I did note the item effect on the mirror bosses. Is there a way to get the "fire" treasures without burning up and staying invisible most of the time when you go down to meet Sun Tzu? When I localize a game story, I always try to keep the "flavor" and unique culture of the actual setting. Okay, got another to throw your way. This is minuscule, compared to a dynastic treasure, and I'm getting much close to it. What does the definition of 古文書 Ancient Script/Document/Scroll mean? Spoiler! :
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Author: | Wildbill [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unraveling the story *SPOILERS* |
taskforce wrote: BTW: Wildbill don't forget you have to account for WWWWWW when writing these scenes just like the other games with namable characters. Keep that in mind. You've got WildBi and WWWWWW is a lot longer in the window so you need to keep that in mind. Didin't you and Bongo` already fix that with letter W narrowing and ASM spacing?
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Author: | hausen [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unraveling the story *SPOILERS* |
King Huiwen is certainly good if the longer length isn't an issue. Eh, I guess that's the gimmick of that annoying dungeon and the invisibility effect can't be avoided. Hit a stealth spell, count yer steps and collect all you wish. You can avoid hitting the fire if you keep track where you are ofc. Most chests had good useful healing items so it's not all a waste. So... the ancient book/script riddles. Oh hell. This is a tough one. Some of my musings below but I'm far from 100% here. Spoiler! :
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Author: | taskforce [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unraveling the story *SPOILERS* |
Not if you aren't using WWWWWW for your name, it is still the longest possible name and you must account for it while writing. It is fixed in menus and such, but anytime you're displaying your name in text you must account for WWWWWW. Just as Aretha or any other game with changeable character names. You should really always name your character WWWWWW when writing any game with a changeable name. So, I would really suggest you start over and name your character WWWWWW while you work on this game (and any new games you do where you name your guy.) |
Author: | Draken [ Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unraveling the story *SPOILERS* |
taskforce wrote: So, I would really suggest you start over and name your character WWWWWW while you work on this game (and any new games you do where you name your guy.) This will save you so many headaches down the road. Trust me. |
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